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PostSubject: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:32 am

hey guys. Me and Neroz have no idea ho to touge race properly or tune
We was both wondering if anybody could give us a rough don or if anybody had any ideas on how to tune then drop me a message. thanks a bunch
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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:04 am

Tire pressure optimom psi is 32

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:26 am

Hmm generally I like soft springs and try to have a low ride height

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:10 am

@ Stunner & Neroz I'll send you over an A-class tune when I get on tomorrow I suck at touge but have been told the tune is good.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:32 am

Basically, try driving a stock frswith better springs and then try to make it drive that way :0

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:56 am

I suck at touge as well, but my fastest time ever(if I can remember correctly) is a 2:43.2 in my B class 240Z. I did it intensively for a month, then stopped doing it because no one else wanted to lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:23 am

This is going to sound very Initial D, but start with a mostly-stock car, and work from there. The way I tune is by feel, not by number. Take, say, an AE86. Full stock, and take it on the New Downhill. Don't try to drift right away, just try to take the corners as fast and cleanly as you can. As you're doing this, pick out the things you don't like. If you think the steering response is a little slushy, add a sport sway bar to the front, maybe race springs and stiffen up the front coils a little. If the rear end could use a little more kick-out, add a race diff and determine if you want it to slide more when you get on the gas (+Acceleration) or when you let off the gas (+Deceleration). For drifting, focus more on FT-LBS than HP. You want more torque, as any hachi driver will tell you, you can make a 200HP AE86 stick to the door of a 500HP+ monster if you have the torque to keep those wheels spinning all the way through a corner.

And ExtremeTurboLag is right - 32psi is optimal grip for most drift cars, but you may find that with lower power cars you can increase the pressure to help maintain longer drifts. Tune your tire pressure by bringing up the tire HUD while you're doing a test drive, and do burnouts and slides and stuff. Adjust it so that while you're sliding through corners on the accelerator, your tire pressures peak at or in the immediate range of 32psi. Believe it or not, grip is more important to drifting than you'd think. Grip is what keeps you from sliding off the outside edge of a turn while your tires are shredding away, gripping just barely enough to maintain your speed and angle without slipping too much and causing you to spin or go off.

I never go into a drift car build with a HP range in mind. I know what suspension parts I usually need (Sport front sway bar, race coils) and a few choice drivetrain bits (sport flywheel, race clutch, and of course race diff) and then go from there. I add power if I feel the car bogging down in certain gears, but I focus not on the horsepower, but the torque. Only worry about HP if you're building up to an event-limited HP number. Most popular Japanese drift cars are easy to manage this with.

And think about what tracks you'll be using the car for, as well. If it's a dedicated downhill car, then worry about power last. You'll find that on the downhill, gravity can make up for tons of horsepower. Just find the areas you struggle in, and use the settings to remedy them.

But that's just me, and I'm retarded.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:35 am

Get you car as high as possible and your soft springs as soft as possible.
Make sure your diff is completely locked and your brake bias all the way to the front and 200%.
Make sure your front tyres are wider than the back and the back tyres need to be at 55PSI.

Also, make sure you hit every single wall.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:47 am

i dont see the touge as a speed thing or a drift thing hence i'm happiest when i dont win lobbies as its all about flow for me, not winning
the flow is what takes time and with it comes speed if thats what floats your boat

theres a replay in my SF of my lotus cortina on the touge, watch it and you'll see what i mean


but as TRK says if youre not hitting walls on every turn youre not trying hard enough j/k
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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:07 pm

Your advice had been brilliant guys, were both very greatful Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:08 pm

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Get you car as high as possible and your soft springs as soft as possible.
Make sure your diff is completely locked and your brake bias all the way to the front and 200%.
Make sure your front tyres are wider than the back and the back tyres need to be at 55PSI.

Also, make sure you hit every single wall.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:31 pm

My advice would be to buy a stock Hachi or any other light, low powered RWD car and just take the mountain to another level. Keep trying and trying and after a while you'll get a knack for it. As with all things, practice makes perfect.

Don't worry about tuning for now.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:50 pm

Pretty much most of the cars Initial D are good cars on the Touge

Quick side note, are you just racing the mountain or drifting?

I saw stuff about drifting above and contrary to popular belief "Touge" has nothing to do with drifting. Touge literally means "mountain pass" and basically we use it as a short way of saying "Touge Racing" You could drift if you wanted to while touge racing, but it is kinda slow.

Onto the tune!

Building the car, there is a pretty basic and common way that a good amount of touge cars are tuned

Put all the handling and drivetrain parts, tires, and bodykit if you desire(no forza aero), For most cars you should have a few PI left before B500, fill in the excess with power!

The tuning is not very easy to explain, its different for everyone and each person has their preferences. If you need more help, message me on live and I'll try to help as best as I can.


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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:24 pm

Drifting on the touge is used for blocking

its also more fun

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:01 pm

Texas Chia wrote:
Drifting on the touge is used for blocking

its also more fun

Yeah you can use the technique of drifting, but even from experience it usually is even too slow to block properly.

Also Fun is just an opinion, I personally find and close battle down the mountain is fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:19 pm

My way is clearly the best. I mean, look at all that text up there. Obviously I know more than these guys.

Don't listen to Mind, his car is yellow. How dumb is that?

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:39 pm

addiem0nster wrote:
Don't listen to Mind, his car is yellow. How dumb is that?

Hey now, Its Orange Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:49 pm

Is it? Haha, maybe my colors are off on my monitor. We need to do some more drifting, mang!

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:55 pm

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Is it? Haha, maybe my colors are off on my monitor. We need to do some more drifting, mang!
Yeah I'm down anytime!

Its more bright orange but the photo edited so it does kinda look yellow lol

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:56 pm

Yeah, I'm gonna use this 14-day trial I got from Callumm when GRDA round 2 starts.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:00 pm



Done.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:07 pm

Use an 86 and turn off your lights. Game over. Very Happy

Nah, it just takes practice. Like TRK said, just drive stock cars as fast as possible with a clean lap. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:12 pm

and make the car fit you.... thats a big one

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:18 pm

I learned in a 97 Honda Civic, its a fun car to tune and drive. Then you can move on to any other car once you've learned the basics and found your line. I would argue that the 86 is not a good car to start in.

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PostSubject: Re: Touge racing for dummies    Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:21 pm

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I learned in a 97 Honda Civic, its a fun car to tune and drive Then you can move on to any other car once you've learned the basics and found your line. I would argue that the 86 is not a good car to start in.

Like smooth said, Front wheel drive is a nice Drivetrain to learn on, more forgiving and makes learning the course a bit easier when not always worrying the car will slide out on you

Course knowledge is a huge advantage

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